Comments on: The clash of civilizations http://autumnrain2110.com/blog/2008/07/18/the-clash-of-civilizations/ Autumn Rain 2110 Wed, 07 Mar 2012 20:38:06 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.0.38 By: Wired http://autumnrain2110.com/blog/2008/07/18/the-clash-of-civilizations/comment-page-1/#comment-367 Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:20:23 +0000 http://autumnrain2110.com/blog/2008/07/18/the-clash-of-civilizations/#comment-367 I’ll have to check this one up again with regards to the date difference. Possible that the 12th coincides with the actual battle and the 11th with the successful disarmament of the decisive mine beneath the Loebel Bastion.

]]> By: David Williams http://autumnrain2110.com/blog/2008/07/18/the-clash-of-civilizations/comment-page-1/#comment-365 Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:06:24 +0000 http://autumnrain2110.com/blog/2008/07/18/the-clash-of-civilizations/#comment-365 I was wondering if someone would call me on this. My own view is that 1683 was pretty much the Ottoman last gasp, and that even if they’d taken Vienna, they didn’t really have the strength to push any further into central Europe. The factors that would eventually turn them into the “sick man of Europe” were already well underway. But at the time that was a long way from obvious, and it’s entirely correct to say that this was thus the REAL “last serious challenge” Islam was able to pose until more recent events . . .

And speaking of: was the battle really fought on 9.11? All the references I can find have it as 9.12.

Anyway, Wired wins this post’s history prize, and I don’t give out those things lightly.

]]> By: Wired http://autumnrain2110.com/blog/2008/07/18/the-clash-of-civilizations/comment-page-1/#comment-361 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:34:48 +0000 http://autumnrain2110.com/blog/2008/07/18/the-clash-of-civilizations/#comment-361 Uhm, David, the last serious challenge was Vienna, September 11, 1683, and that was a pretty shaky matter. And yes, the date is not a coincidence…

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